Forsdike

Date of Entry: 08/05/2018
Surname: Forsdike
Christian Names: Andrew James
Country: Australia
State or Province: New South Wales
City or Town: Warragamba
Service: Army
Branch: Royal Australian Artillery
Commencement of service: June 1966
Completion of service: 1972
Case Notes:

 

Andrew James Forsdike was born on the 20 April, 1949. He enlisted in the Australian Regular Army in June, 1966, and for ten months from May 1968 to March, 1969, he served in the former Republic of South Vietnam. His records indicate that he was a Temporary Bombadier, Royal Regiment of Australia Artillery. – 12 Field Regiment.

Forsdike wears an Order of Australia Medal and a Commendation for Bravery, (recognition for his actions at a road accident in NSW) both of these, he has earned and we congratulate him. He should be satisfied with his lot. It is a pity when a person who has been "through the mill" and has a rack of medals to be proud of, becomes recalcitrant and insists on adding awards that have not been properly bestowed on him.

 


Andrew Forsdike



Here is a list of all the medals and badges that he wears:

Order of Australia Medal
Commendation for Bravery
Australian Active Service Medal
Vietnam Medal
Australian Defence Medal
Centenary Medal
Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross Medal with Palm (RVGC) - NOT ENTITLED
Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal
Infantry Combat Badge - NOT ENTITLED

 


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Notice he wears the RVGC with Palm which is the second from the right of his rack of medals and the Infantry Combat Badge (ICB) above his medals



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When asked about the RVCG and the ICB, Forsdike responded as follows inter alia -;


Goodday xxxxx


firstly let me say that there are a lot of very jealous Vietnam Veterans out there. Especially with me having the OAM the Commendation for Brave Conduct the Centenary of Federation Medal the ICB and ACB and the Gilmore Medal you can check these on its an Honour web site.
The ICB, I have had numerous people asking why I was wearing the ICB, especially in my unit, as I was the only one awarded it for my actions at Coral, I also have the ACB, thats (sic) why I currently have a request in the Central Army records asking for a copy of the recommendation my Co put in to Army HQ in Saigon on the 13th may 1968 asking that I be awarded the ICB, the incedent (sic) no (sic) is 7819615 this was awarded to me in 1971 just before I left the Army, and its (sic) on my discharge Certificate.
I did apply to the Australian Gov asking about the Cross of Gallantry , I worked for the NSW Police for the last 15 years, and because I wore a uniform I asked my friends in the Commonwealth Police was it illegal to wear this ribbon on my uniform , they said that there is no law saying it is illegal to wear a foreign award . on your uniform, and they also stated that the RSL cannot tell you what or wear (Sic) you can wear an award, it can only give guide lines. I also wrote to the minister for defence years ago when I said that all Australian troops who came under the command of the US MACV were entitled to it, he gave me a whole lot of crap, so I wrote to the US government who said that our Minister was playing with words. By her saying that Australian troops were never under the operational Command of the US Government, this we have proved to be wrong. I am not popular with 102 bty as I made a mistake by saying there (sic) officers did not do there (sic) job at Coral, when in actual fact I repeated some thing that was said to me, when I should not have, as there (sic) officers were all very brave men, and did there (sic) jobs well.

Andy


Make your own judgement about Forsdike's mention on "lots of jealous Vietnam veterans". His OAM, Commendation for Bravery and the Centenary Medal are all officially listed, however we have no idea what the "Gilmore Medal" may be.

If, as he states, the ICB is listed on his Discharge Certificate and it was issued to him in 1971, then it is either a false claim or a mistake, that can, and should be rectified. Forsdike claims a recommendation for the ICB was forwarded to Army HQs Saigon by his unit on 13th May 1968. The ICB did not exist in 1968. It was early 1970 when the then Director of Infantry, Colonel David Thompson and the Chief of General Staff Sir Thomas Daly discussed and instigated the badge.

Here is what was written by Colonel David Thompson about the instigation of the ICB:

"In early 1970 I was sent for by the CGS. During our discussion I suggested that it was time for the Infantry Corps to have an Infantry Combat Badge to be worn by Infantrymen who had served overseas in operations.

The CGS agreed with enthusiasm and told me to design a suitable badge for Australia".

It is inconceivable that his Artillery unit took action to award him a non existent ICB on the same day as his actions at Fire Support Base Coral on 13th May 1968.

Here is part of the official instructions regarding the ICB:

1. Who is entitled to wear the ICB?

Members of the Royal Australian Infantry Corps who, in an infantry posting as part of an Infantry Battalion were deployed for, at least, 90 days to an operational area and subsequently awarded the Infantry Combat Badge.

If, as Forsdike claims he, or ill advised superior officers and public servants, finagled an approval to wear the ICB, it was wrongly awarded and must be rescinded. Alternatively, Forsdike could simply not wear it.

Forsdike is oblivious to Defence, RSL and general protocols. He should however, be aware of the Defence Act 1903 Part VII section 80B Improper use of Service decorations. Many fraudsters and wannabes have been dealt with by courts relating to this legislation . An Australian Federal Police Officer named Kelly Wingkee Luk was dealt with by Federal Police for fudging medals entitlement -;

mail.anzmi.net/index.php/cheats-thieves/valour-thieves/71-luk

Simply put, Forsdike is "Medal Hungry" and appears to have spent most of his life chasing medals.

'In March 2017 he had a family member take a case to the Honours and Awards Appeals Tribunal (AAT). He was seeking a Military Medal (MM) or Medal of Gallantry (MG) (these are prestigious war time bravery medals) for his participation at Fire Support Base Coral, east of Lai Khe, Binh Duong Province, South Vietnam in the early morning of 13th May 1968.

It is somewhat, audacious and vainglorious to instigate legal action to have oneself awarded a bravery medal and it is indicative of his narcissistic need to collect awards.

Forsdike claimed he did not get a bravery medal because of maladministration by his unit at the time, however the Tribunal found there was no maladministration, and although Forsdike did honourable service it was not of a standard to warrant an MM or MG. See 25 pages here:

2017_DHAAT_009_Ford on behalf of Forsdike – Decision Report

"The Tribunal finds that Bombardier Forsdike’s actions on 12/13 May 1968 at FSB Coral were undeniably brave but do not meet the threshold for a gallantry award. This finding does not in any way diminish the contribution Bombardier Forsdike made to his Regiment during his service in Vietnam.

On 15 February 2016, the Director General Personnel – Army (DGPers-A) provided a response to the Tribunal that, in the absence of maladministration or a failure in due process, the original decisions of the ‘decision-makers of the time’ be upheld and no further recognition be given to Lance Bombardier Forsdike. No review of the merits of the application was conducted"

Medals, awards and badges are presented by our Federal Government for defence service or for exemplary public service to our nation. If we were to follow Forsdike's ideas and actions, where medals are completely unregulated and no one can tell him what to wear, imagine what would happen if "medal hungry" wannabes throughout Australia were allowed free reign. The value and status of defence service and our medals system would be destroyed.

ANZMI strives to protect Australian and New Zealand protocols and heritage, We will report any person wearing defence medals or badges that they have not earned, or have been wrongly issued.

We asked Forsdike to remove the RVCG and the ICB from his left breast, he chose to not do so, and said

"I have no intension (sic) of supplying you with any of my documents. I have spoken to my son who was a public prosecutor for the NSW police and is (sic) now still works in a legal capacity. He has advised me not to respond to these alligations you have made and he said that if he sees or hears any more on this issue, and he finds out who is behind it he will then take the matter further.

Forsdike claims that he has been awarded the ICB and the Australian Combat Badge. (ACB)

You can be awarded one or the other. Not both. Below is the set criteria for the award of the ACB.

Army Standing Instruction (Personnel), Part 11, Chapter 3
CHAPTER 3
ARMY COMBAT BADGE
ELIGIBILITY

3.5. To be eligible to be issued the ACB, a member must have:

a. Either: (1) been force assigned to a combat team for a period of either a continuous or an aggregate of 90 days satisfactory service, or
(2) been physically deployed in the same geographical location as a Combat Team and have a primary role to directly support that Combat Team for a period of either a continuous or an aggregate of 90 days satisfactory service;
b. and:
(1) been serving on a warlike operations
(2) not have been previously issued the ICB or ACB

We have no alternative other than to give him space on this web site, where he can enjoy the award of being a medals cheat. Unfortunately we do not present recipients of this award with ANZMI tactile trinkets, however am sure that if we did, Forsdike would add it to his rack.

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